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	<title>Comments on: We say Scam &#8211; PICC HAFC by Dutchman Enterprises</title>
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		<title>By: HHO Generators</title>
		<link>http://www.texassolar.com/2008/solar-car-truck-planes/we-say-scam-picc-hafc-by-dutchman-enterprises/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>HHO Generators</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a reality, not some TV show, why aren&#039;t we using it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a reality, not some TV show, why aren&#8217;t we using it?</p>
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		<title>By: JOHN AWEYRS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOHN AWEYRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know where I can find free online grant applications?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know where I can find free online grant applications?</p>
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		<title>By: eric krieg</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric krieg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 02:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be a few Dennis Lee followers acting as shills for HAFC.  they post all over the internet, &quot;mine works&quot; - but none is really willing to show open proof.   If I had a car getting doubled mileage, I would show it to media people, universitys, the X prize people, car companies - I&#039;d have it on the cover of Time magazine in 2 weeks.   you couldn&#039;t shut up real truth and real proof.   Dennis Lee cult members would have you believe there are thousands of happy customers, and over 1000 trained mechanics, yet none are willing to come forward and offer the first indpendently verified proof of hafc?   I don&#039;t want to buy a kit and lose my money like so many people I have dialogged with - some can&#039;t ge ttheir money back.   I have openly offered for a year to pay thosands of dollars for real proof - why no takers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be a few Dennis Lee followers acting as shills for HAFC.  they post all over the internet, &#8220;mine works&#8221; &#8211; but none is really willing to show open proof.   If I had a car getting doubled mileage, I would show it to media people, universitys, the X prize people, car companies &#8211; I&#8217;d have it on the cover of Time magazine in 2 weeks.   you couldn&#8217;t shut up real truth and real proof.   Dennis Lee cult members would have you believe there are thousands of happy customers, and over 1000 trained mechanics, yet none are willing to come forward and offer the first indpendently verified proof of hafc?   I don&#8217;t want to buy a kit and lose my money like so many people I have dialogged with &#8211; some can&#8217;t ge ttheir money back.   I have openly offered for a year to pay thosands of dollars for real proof &#8211; why no takers?</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Solar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas Solar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We went to mechanics who attended the week long training class.  The idea is fine, the product requires constant adjustment and is simply not ready. That makes it a scam IMHO and is 4 times the price of the DIY units. This is what we are told by honest mechanics.  So Robert Jarosak gemride4fun@aol.com or Eric Kreig we invite you to do the same. 
We have other resources that confirm our findings.  Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We went to mechanics who attended the week long training class.  The idea is fine, the product requires constant adjustment and is simply not ready. That makes it a scam IMHO and is 4 times the price of the DIY units. This is what we are told by honest mechanics.  So Robert Jarosak <a href="mailto:gemride4fun@aol.com">gemride4fun@aol.com</a> or Eric Kreig we invite you to do the same.<br />
We have other resources that confirm our findings.  Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Jarosak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Jarosak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric Kreig,
This wins in a court of law with real experts and you still don&#039;t stop. You moron, buy the kit and install it. Dummy, all you have to loose is $1K and some time to ether prove your side or Lee&#039;s.
What&#039;s your problem, afraid of the truth or is it you will stop getting the attention? You remind me of a fireman that is an arsonist. Just have to get attention. 
There are thousands of people all over the world doing a version of this and it does work.
Grab some wrenches and get some balls and get busy in the garage. Stop giving our money to OPEC.
You can call me anytime as I would love to personally tell you to F*** Off. I don&#039;t hide like you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Kreig,<br />
This wins in a court of law with real experts and you still don&#8217;t stop. You moron, buy the kit and install it. Dummy, all you have to loose is $1K and some time to ether prove your side or Lee&#8217;s.<br />
What&#8217;s your problem, afraid of the truth or is it you will stop getting the attention? You remind me of a fireman that is an arsonist. Just have to get attention.<br />
There are thousands of people all over the world doing a version of this and it does work.<br />
Grab some wrenches and get some balls and get busy in the garage. Stop giving our money to OPEC.<br />
You can call me anytime as I would love to personally tell you to F*** Off. I don&#8217;t hide like you do.</p>
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		<title>By: B Mutia</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Mutia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concept is simple but a lot of B.S. is going around.  The concept revolves around the idea that you can improve engine combustion by adding highly flammable gas into air / fuel mixture.  Better combustion means cleaner emissions, more power, better mpg.  The only thing added to this concept is the kind of flammable gas.  You can use hydrogen, methane, natural gas .... but in this case you use hydroxy gas.  Hydroxy is extracted from water using electrolysis.  So the company is selling the electrolyzer.  The next issue is tuning which basically tries to answer the question about how to know what is the most efficient combustion for your engine without triggering the a few limits set by the car computer sensors.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concept is simple but a lot of B.S. is going around.  The concept revolves around the idea that you can improve engine combustion by adding highly flammable gas into air / fuel mixture.  Better combustion means cleaner emissions, more power, better mpg.  The only thing added to this concept is the kind of flammable gas.  You can use hydrogen, methane, natural gas &#8230;. but in this case you use hydroxy gas.  Hydroxy is extracted from water using electrolysis.  So the company is selling the electrolyzer.  The next issue is tuning which basically tries to answer the question about how to know what is the most efficient combustion for your engine without triggering the a few limits set by the car computer sensors.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Winters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not convinced about the PICC system but I do know that the hydrogen assist fuel cells do work. You can build one yourself or they are widely available on the internet in kit form. Just google &quot;hydrogen generator&quot;. As far as this company&#039;s claim of having trained installers, that is also true. I met one at an art show. If you live in south Florida, you can contact him at: baypinesauto@knology.net. A friend of mine and I recently installed a unit purchased on ebay on his Mazda 5. He tells me he is getting better milage than before. Before you decide it won&#039;t work, do the research. You will be surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced about the PICC system but I do know that the hydrogen assist fuel cells do work. You can build one yourself or they are widely available on the internet in kit form. Just google &#8220;hydrogen generator&#8221;. As far as this company&#8217;s claim of having trained installers, that is also true. I met one at an art show. If you live in south Florida, you can contact him at: <a href="mailto:baypinesauto@knology.net">baypinesauto@knology.net</a>. A friend of mine and I recently installed a unit purchased on ebay on his Mazda 5. He tells me he is getting better milage than before. Before you decide it won&#8217;t work, do the research. You will be surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: happy customer</title>
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		<dc:creator>happy customer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should pay the price to either learn of the technology or to have a system properly installed. I have seen with my own two eyes several systems that work. If I can do it why can&#039;t you? Dennis is not hiding anything. Did Henry Ford have difficulties when he first came up with the idea of building a car? Sure he did. At least Dennis Lee is doing something for all of us. I feel sorry for sceptics like yourself. You have to be plain stupid to think that car manufactures, oil companies and the government will provide you with more efficient methods of power. Duh, what planet are we coming from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should pay the price to either learn of the technology or to have a system properly installed. I have seen with my own two eyes several systems that work. If I can do it why can&#8217;t you? Dennis is not hiding anything. Did Henry Ford have difficulties when he first came up with the idea of building a car? Sure he did. At least Dennis Lee is doing something for all of us. I feel sorry for sceptics like yourself. You have to be plain stupid to think that car manufactures, oil companies and the government will provide you with more efficient methods of power. Duh, what planet are we coming from?</p>
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		<title>By: eric krieg</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric krieg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey JRL,   in 12 years of following Lee&#039;s absurd free energy claims, I have learned not to underestimate him.  He knows how to spin damage control to the faithful.  For these people who have put up the hundreds of thousands for the full page ad campaign - it is easier to believe Dennis that big oil convinced Ford to not halve the mileage of their SUV&#039;s than to believe they have lost it all on another Lee financial black hole.      When all the HAFC believers have been fully drained of money and energy, he will find new suckers for some even more outrageous claim.  
     The thing that bugs me is alt energy con men poison people to fringe but real technology that can get us out of the energy mess.  The real free energy out there is solar - not crap like over balanced wheels, over unit motors, fuel magnets or magic car conversion kits. 
    If you google &quot;hafc mileage&quot; - you will see page after page put up by pathetic people hoping to get rich quick selling HAFC - most are fairly immune to reason at this point - they all think the other people have it working.

eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey JRL,   in 12 years of following Lee&#8217;s absurd free energy claims, I have learned not to underestimate him.  He knows how to spin damage control to the faithful.  For these people who have put up the hundreds of thousands for the full page ad campaign &#8211; it is easier to believe Dennis that big oil convinced Ford to not halve the mileage of their SUV&#8217;s than to believe they have lost it all on another Lee financial black hole.      When all the HAFC believers have been fully drained of money and energy, he will find new suckers for some even more outrageous claim.<br />
     The thing that bugs me is alt energy con men poison people to fringe but real technology that can get us out of the energy mess.  The real free energy out there is solar &#8211; not crap like over balanced wheels, over unit motors, fuel magnets or magic car conversion kits.<br />
    If you google &#8220;hafc mileage&#8221; &#8211; you will see page after page put up by pathetic people hoping to get rich quick selling HAFC &#8211; most are fairly immune to reason at this point &#8211; they all think the other people have it working.</p>
<p>eric</p>
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		<title>By: JRL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys thanks for posting the truth. I am not the only one that asked Ford for verification. From what I know Ford responded in a similar fashion to all that took the time to inquire. If anyone has doubts I would encourage you to simply ask Ford. 

Unfortunately it is too late for some as Dutchman fleeced them early in the game, however we can keep others from falling into the scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys thanks for posting the truth. I am not the only one that asked Ford for verification. From what I know Ford responded in a similar fashion to all that took the time to inquire. If anyone has doubts I would encourage you to simply ask Ford. </p>
<p>Unfortunately it is too late for some as Dutchman fleeced them early in the game, however we can keep others from falling into the scam.</p>
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